Reagan & Stevens don’t debate but concur on all things Trump: that he probably won’t but “could win as the nominee of a major party,” says Stevens, adding, “I dealt with Trump in 2012. He was the most insecure and deeply damaged person I’d ever met. He’s running based on Americans feeling as if they woke up to sounds downstairs at 4am. This is what authoritarians do.” Ron recalls when successful conventions “were aspirational, offering a hopeful vision of the future — while attacking their opponents for whatever. This one was merely a scam, like his Trump University, casinos, steaks. There’s now the possibility of a grifter-in-chief, even a psychopath-in-chief.” Then they discuss whether the post-Trump GOP will be a conservative party or a white nationalist party?