Matalin & LaMarche debate whether Trump is an entertaining clown, a serial liar or onto something. Mary thinks that he’ll flame out but is raising some issues, like Sanctuary Cities. Gara counters that he’s a Frankenstein created by a fringe base and an inane Fox. All agree that Sanders, however, is an authentic populist force who can’t be the nominee…though Mary shares some anticipatory schadenfreude for his August Convention Speech (like Buchanan’s?). Then: After #blacklivesmatter & Charleston, is America starting the most serious conversation on race since the 1960s Kerner Commission?